Regarding Tactics…

Watched a bit of the Robertson show tonight.  He spent quite a bit of time justifying his tactics of getting at his enemies (the preachers from other denominations) by ambushing with cameras, etc.  He justified this behavior by talking about the tactics employed by the children of Israel when they were spying out the land.   

This made me go “hmmm…”

Why?  Well, when we’ve discussed using musical instruments in worship on this blog, the hyperconservatives have come back repeatedly saying that there is no New Testament authority authorizing the use of musical instruments in worship, and that is why the “true church” would never use musical instruments.

My question – where is the New Testament authority for hyperconservative church of Christ people to use these tactics of ambushes, secret recording, etc?  Can anyone tell me a passage of New Testament scripture that has the apostles engaging in this sort of behavior?   

It seems that this is a pretty big double standard.  Further, it demonstrates how the hyperconservatives will violate their own principals if it helps them to justify themselves in their own minds.

Am I misreading this situation?  Anyone else care to comment?

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12 thoughts on “Regarding Tactics…

  1. i tried to call but couldnt get on air.
    john was pointing out how paul seperated him self
    from the jews religon.
    yet i read in acts 21:17-26, how paul seemed to be following a cleansing ceramony along with an offering.
    seems that paul was flexable………
    any comments?
    lee

  2. If JR said that Paul was separating himself from the Jewish religion, and that’s the hypercon model, what are they doing using Joshua and Caleb as role models for behavior?

    As I said before, seems to be a double standard.

  3. I recall reading where God will justify himself in court, I believe JR is hurting his case in a huge way by making God out to be a God that is hypocritical!

    This step back into the old testament to justify his wicked schemes and justify his misleading statements is the religion version of a political spin machine!

    Kudo’s for Josh pinning his ears back so much so that he had to hang up on him to keep him from driving his point him! You nailed it Josh!

  4. Yes Lee Paul and the council were trying to keep the peace with the Jews, they were not willing to live in peace though and thus the saga plays out in acts 21.

    Flexibility what a concept that was the point Josh was driving home then JR countered with that lame gotta quote verse or something along those lines and then took the first chance he got to cut him lose.

  5. SOME SAID

    Kudo’s for Josh pinning his ears back so much so that he had to hang up on him to keep him from driving his point him! You nailed it Josh!

    i LET jOSH GO BECAUSE HE PROMISED TO COME ON MY SHOW AND DIDNT SHOW UP

    he also said he would be at the tent didnt show up

    is Josh your champ now

    you better check him out

  6. one of the boys says

    My question – where is the New Testament authority for hyperconservative church of Christ people to use these tactics of ambushes, secret recording, etc? Can anyone tell me a passage of New Testament scripture that has the apostles engaging in this sort of behavior?

    Ac 23:16 And when Paul’s sister’s son heard of their lying in wait, he went and entered into the castle, and told Paul.
    does this count? Young man goes in and reveals secret plans that he over heard concerning evil plots

    we are revealing the evil behaviors of you all

    as to the use of the O T
    When we are asking you about mechanical music we are talking about worship.
    Can you really say you are at liberty to use the OT to pattern your worship?

    Incense ? Priestly dress?

    you all really tickle us! None of your are really together. Sprinkle babies & speaking in tongues & Jedi Knights?

    talk about funny!

    And to chrissy … in case you don’t know it Dec. 25 is not anything to God! It is made up by some so-called two or three gathered in Jesus name (not) who were in the catholic cult and all you all have fallen down at the popes toe and recognized it with them

  7. Johnny, try applying self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness; 7 and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love. 2. Peter 1: 5-7

    For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins. Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you (2 Peter 1:8-11)

    This is not a list of imperatives, duties, or activities. Peter is not writing about “how to,” but about the kind of person the Christian should strive to become.

    You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR, and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies

    As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned. Titus 3:9-11

    Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Ephesians 4:31-5:2

    A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:34-35

    God demands that we be kind. To neglect kindness is to invite God’s condemnation. I must “put on… kindness” (Colossians 3:12) as a part of my Christian life. This means “forbearing one another, and forgiving each other, if any man have a complaint against any; even as the Lord forgave you, so also do ye.” (Colossians 3:13) Paul wrote, “Be ye kind to one another, tender hearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.” (Ephesians 4:32) He also wrote, “Love suffereth long and is kind.” (1 Corinthians 13:4)

    The wisdom writer affirmed, “That which maketh a man to be desired is his kindness.” (Proverbs 19:22) He also described the worthy woman, “She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and the law of kindness is on her tongue.” (Proverbs 31:26)

    The attitude that motivates kindness toward others is the same attitude that motivated God’s kindness to us. Paul wrote, “Doing nothing through faction or through vainglory, but in lowliness of mind each counting other better than himself; not looking each of you to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others…” (Philippians 2:3-4)

  8. “i LET jOSH GO BECAUSE HE PROMISED TO COME ON MY SHOW AND DIDNT SHOW UP”

    Ah but my friend you have already said that deception is ok because of the Old Testament, surely you don’t mind eating a little of the food you prepare for others! 😉

    John after watching some of the old shows where you list Religious Review in them, you almost make me think I have the gift of prophecy, since those shows used the title of Religious Review, and now you are using the name Religious Review to hide your true affiliation and of course using your son as bait case someone actually sees through your wicked schemes and is offended then you can cry foul over your poor little son being assaulted.

    So the bottom line is you are using your son in the hopes he gets assaulted as you put it so you can use it as fodder against those who might be tempted to lose their cool, you are in fact the Hamas of Christendom. Using your child as a screen in the hopes of generating bad press is much like Hamas who use their civilians to hide their weapons close by in the hopes that Israel misses and kills them, then the press can be called in to show the evil of Israel while crying foul, and the going out and purposely using civilians as targets.

    Please protect your child and use men, at least your 21 year old son to do this work so that if you do manage to provoke someone into doing something stupid a minor will not be in harms way. Does your wife agree to allowing him to be placed in that situation? Surely you would not try to do this inside a Muslim meeting place like you do in christian ones?

    Ac 23:16 And when Paul’s sister’s son heard of their lying in wait, he went and entered into the castle, and told Paul.

    Let me ask a simple question, how many times has your son falsely posing as a Religious Review reporter ever recorded people laying in wait for you John? ZERO perhaps is the answer now isn’t it? 😉

    So then the answer is no it is not justification, however it is a sign of your bitter root that drives you to twist scripture so you can carry out your vendetta against those you see as false teachers and the cause of your father’s leaving, have you forgiven your father yet? If not what does the Bible say about unforgiveness in Matthew?

    And when can we expect you to report on all the Church of Christ bodies who do not agree with your extreme stances? Are you going to allow the world to see that on your review? After all if you are not in fellowship with them they must be false teachers also, right? Or could it be that the doctrine of unity has something to hide in it’s little dark closet!

  9. I have to bring this back up because James Oldfield was teaching from 2 Cor 4:1-6

    1Therefore, since through God’s mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. 2Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

    Now shall we go down the list, for example JR’s Baptist behaving badly he is run off from a Church and announces that he is recording the encounter, this begs the question did they not know they were being recorded? I believe that they are hiding the fact that they are out recording people based on the poor camera angles they show were the camera is not even showing the face many times during the “interview”

    So who was James really preaching to, Johnny, or Micah, or perhaps Mark of the CoC?

    Sad but funny to watch teaching that includes the above when I know they are attempting to hid things from the public!

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