Special Announcement

I’d like to announce that we have a new contributor to the blog.  Katherine, who has been a faithful commenter over the past few months, has agreed to help shoulder the load, adding posts from time to time.

Welcome, Katherine!  We welcome the thoughts you’ll bring to the table in the form of posts from a church of Christ perspective.

Look for Katherine’s posts to start soon.

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31 thoughts on “Special Announcement

  1. Katherine has been blessed with a wonderful talent for writing and sharing her thoughts. Every time I’ve visited her blog, I’ve come away feeling uplifted and edified for it. Hers is going to be a very refreshing perspective to read from the REAL Church of Christ!

    I just wonder how long will it be before Robertson et al jump flunky on her for being a “woman teacher”, ‘cuz no doubt that’s coming.

    They should read her words, and take them to heart, because Katherine understands what it is to live by God’s grace.

    Anyhoo, welcome Katherine 🙂

  2. Excellent addition here Nathan!! Katherine you have so much to share and teach. It will be very interesting to say the least. Go get’em Katherine!!

  3. I think Katherine is a very wise and spritual person who diligently seeks and speaks the truth of the gospel and Gods word. Go Katherine.

  4. Thank you all-I really appreciate the encouragement! 🙂

    I hope what I say comes across as the “truth spoken in love”. I know I get passionate sometimes, but I just don’t like it when the Good News is weighed down with more than it was meant to. It is so simple, beautiful, and amazing that I want the whole world to know. I also know it is found only in Christ and not in someone else’s way to get to Him!

    Anyway, I look forward to contributing more and continuing the conversation! Blessings to you all~

  5. Joh 12:42 ¶ Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
    43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

  6. On July 31, 2008 at 11:47 am Katherine Said:
    Thank you all-I really appreciate the encouragement!
    Anyway, I look forward to contributing more and continuing the conversation! Blessings to you all~

    Thank you for this prestegious award I must be doing something right, the world loves me. Blessings to you all no matter what false doctrine you teach.

    2Jo 1:10 ¶ If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

  7. I figured you could not leave this thread alone, T.D.

    But, quit putting words in my mouth and twisting them maliciously. You cannot justify that whatsoever.

    I don’t care if the world loves me-that has never been my goal. It is amazing to me though that I have been persecuted more by people claiming to be Christians than I have the world. I find my strength and faith in God, though.

    Anyway, I will leave this:

    “Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.” ~Galatians 1:10

    The truth sets you FREE, T.D. Let it 🙂

  8. On July 31, 2008 at 12:29 pm T.D. Said:

    2Jo 1:10 ¶ If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    – great idea Nathan !! Kat will do great ! TD, you guys just cant stop yanking verses out of context can you ? Please stop playing the robot of Johnny and look at the verses above in their context. John was addressing the Gnostics of his day. TD, youre just repeating what Johnny and others have told you and havent even studied this yourself. You have no right to take these passages and apply them anyway you feel.

  9. Congrats Katherine!

    I always enjoy reading your polite and encouraging posts!

    TD Wrote
    2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    I write in return: ??

    Not sure what this has to do with someone being a guest poster on a blog but whatever. I am not surprised by anything people say or do to prove their point.

    No.

    Just because someone doesn’t share your exact opinions on scripture (that of course match whatever historical religious movement you happen to be a part of)does not mean that God share your views.

  10. On August 1, 2008 at 5:23 pm DMH Said:
    Not sure what this has to do with someone being a guest poster on a blog but whatever. I am not surprised by anything people say or do to prove their point.

    Read carefully D.M.H.
    Katherine said “blessings to you all” not really careing what kind of doctrine you teach. And I know she was including C.K. and R.L.

  11. TD,

    Your problem is with Paul, not with Katherine.

    “Bless those who persecute you,” Paul writes in Romans 12:14, “bless and do not curse.”

  12. “On July 31, 2008 at 7:09 pm Chris Knight Said:

    “John was addressing the Gnostics of his day.”

    And Johnny Robertson and his followers are the Gnostics of our day.”

    While I know this is a humor based statement, this is also inaccurate as the Gnostic’s believed that the God of the Jews was not the same God of the New Testament and that they were in fact separate entities because the old testament God was seen as harsh and the creator of evil.

    That is if memory serves, and frankly I almost quoted them since I could not find The Church of Christ in my church history study, and it also would have been humorous. Frankly the CoC weakens their own case by standing by the churches of Christ being a name of a church. It is a horrible twisting of the truth of what it really was and the all inclusive name of all the bodies of Christ.

  13. “On July 31, 2008 at 11:54 am T.D. Said:

    Joh 12:42 ¶ Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
    43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.”

    Psalms 9:7 “Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult;
    whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse.

    8 Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you;
    rebuke a wise man and he will love you.

    9 Instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still;
    teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning.

    I find it interesting TD that you would quote something about a pharisee considering your sect is very much in tune with their interactions with God.

    Katherine has given wise council on this blog on several occasions and you as the mocker can’t see that council!

    Open your eyes!

  14. “Frankly the CoC weakens their own case by standing by the churches of Christ being a name of a church. It is a horrible twisting of the truth of what it really was and the all inclusive name of all the bodies of Christ.”

    Exactly, walkinlove.

    The local “Church of Christ” cult demands to not be known as a denomination.

    Which otherwise would be perfectly okay. I know many, many Christians who do not identify themselves with a denomination. Heck, I don’t consider myself to be a member of a denomination, either.

    (Which makes me more “church of Christ” than Johnny Robertson’s “Church of Christ” when ya think about it, but anyhoo…)

    Here’s where the local hyper-legalists calling themselves “Church of Christ” go horribly wrong: it’s not enough for them to identify themselves as “not denominational”. They are fixated with attacking those who do prefer being in a denomination.

    Johnny Robertson, James Oldfield, Norm Fields, T.D., Mitch/faithful and others in their small cult are so obsessed with destroying “denominations”… that their “Church of Christ” has become a denomination unto itself!

    And no amount of their jumping and screaming and throwing temper-tantrums about it is going to change the fact that they are a true denomination in every sense of the word. Indeed, the more that they do try to make hay with their insistence that they aren’t denominational, the more they prove to EVERYONE that they are a denomination.

    You know why we have denominations? There’s nothing wrong with them. I think a very strong case could be made that denominations existed as early as when John of Patmos wrote the Book of Revelation. That book is addressed to the seven churches of Asia Minor. One by one, we see sets of messages given to each church. Notice how different each one is from the other? The church at Antioch is completely different from the church at Laodicea. And those are different from the churches at Philadelphia and Smyrna.

    But at no time are any of the churches held to be of either greater or lesser stature than the others. They are all counted by Heaven itself as being churches composed of believers in Christ. Not even the Church at Laodicea, though it is considered “lukewarm”, is deemed to be out of fellowship or a “false church” in comparison to the others. In Colossians we even find Paul referring to his “brothers” in the Laodicean church.

    Think about that: Paul loves the Christians of the Laodicean church so much that he thinks of them as his own family! This, for what some must consider to be the most “false church” of the entire New Testament!

    In spite of whatever failings they have, the Christians at Laodicea are still counted among the saints, with whom other Christians have fellowship. Even though they, by all evidence, have not “remained faithful” in all things.

    But the Church at Laodicea was still a church. Of Christ.

    If there had been the “unity” that Johnny Robertson and his followers insist is what Christ demanded, at work among the Seven Churches of Asia Minor, then there might be one or two that would fit within the local “Church of Christ” cult’s definition of a “real” church. Instead we find seven churches, some stronger in the faith than others, but all of them counted as dear and faithful churches serving Jesus Christ.

    There was no “unity” as Robertson’s bunch demands there to be, at work among the Seven Churches of Asia Minor. But they were united in the one thing that mattered: the grace of God.

    Robertson’s idea of “unity” is a sham and a farce. The Seven Churches lacked it completely. And yet, according to Revelation, that was still okay with God.

    There you have it folks: denominations. In the New Testament. And God may condemn some things, but He never condemns that.

    Why do we have denominations? Like I said, there’s nothing wrong with them…

    …they’re just a bit of evidence proving something that each of us professing to follow Christ should bear in mind: that none of us can boast of possessing perfect understanding of God and His ways.

    And if any one… or any “church”… ever brags about that, well, they’re either mad or ignorant or sent from the Devil himself. Or all three.

  15. And here’s an interesting thought… you know how Scripture talks about us all being a part of the body of Christ (Romans 12:5), and that we each have different gifts and abilities to bring to the body – could denominations be looked at as modern extensions of that metaphor? Yes, denominations are all different, but they each have something unique to bring to the body of Christ, something that they are “better” at than others.

    For example:
    1) Pentecostals bring passion and focus on the Holy Spirit.
    2) Catholics and/or Orthodox bring a sense of the mystery and wonder of God.
    3) Presbyterians bring an insistence of doing things decently and in order.
    4) Baptists bring a focus on reaching the world.
    5) and even… churches of Christ bring a challenge to knowing the Word.

    When we look at these separately (and others not mentioned), they are incomplete. When we are all together as the Body of Christ, we have a more complete picture of Christ.

    Just a thought.

  16. Yes and that is why Satan has worked so hard to keep us apart and focused on the differences of each. Together, walking in unity we are balanced, separate each walks out of balance and in conflict with the others.

    Thus John’s Church focus on baptism and keeping the new laws without allowing grace and mercy to enter into the picture drive away those who bring those gifts because it does not meet with their understanding and reasoning of the word. So they drive them out and maintain their unbalanced view as the only true view. If instead they kept those who were grace motivated and gifted they would learn to bring balance to their focus.

    Jesus said a house divided will not stand, to simply declare yourselves the only true house is a cowardly way of bypassing the question of real unity! Why do I use cowardly? Because their way allows them to never have to stand corrected because all others are false teachers and thus do not have to be learned from! The insecurity root is the cause of this!

  17. “The insecurity root is the cause of this!”

    You’re the FOURTH person that I’ve herd who has said this in the past few days, walkinlove. That Robertson and his minions are motivated out of “insecurity”.

    Robertson’s attitude is much like the schoolyard bully, who feels very small and timid and insecure within. So he tries to hide it by making himself “look tough”.

    That he will not take on others on a level playing field, but instead will only “debate” them on terms that he and his cult can completely control, proves his lack of courage. This is why he runs away from every challenge, then comes back when “the coast is clear” to make it look like he’s “won a victory”.

    (As if “winning” something so meaningless is supposed to matter to a follower of Christ.)

  18. So very true Chris. I recall a challenge set forth on this blog from another Church of Christ preacher, who was willing to debate Johnny on a few subjects and Johnny backed down and ran away. If he can’t tape a debate, he is not willing to “always be ready to give an answer”…isn’t that a command in the bible??

  19. I’m surprised nobody has made up some type of flyer with this blogs URL and information stating how Johnny backed down from a debate with a Church of Christ preacher. Heck, or even an add in your local Martinsville news paper. I’m sure Mr. Robertson would feed on that though for attention. I think Chris hit the nail on the head – some place in Johnny’s life, he was obviously mistreated…maybe prison, or as a child and now he has this complex of revenge, so he takes people who disagree with him and uses them as his outlet. Maybe we should pity him and try to make him understand that we love him regardless of how he treats people.

  20. This is usually the time when Robertson lets them play on the school’s computer (whispered to be an IBM PCjr from 1984, bought on eBay for $4.75). It is a rather conspicuous absence, isn’t it? 😉

  21. Hey Kat, where ya been hiding ? I noticed Mr. Robertson was consumed with Chris last night on his broadcast. For someone to claim they aren’t bothered, he sure seems to be troubled about the blog and about Chris. It’s odd he never said anything on his show about Clint ( other Church of Christ preacher ) offering to debate him…..he quietly let that one go away. I think he realized he couldn’t bully Clint around, but he seems to think Chris to be good bully material…..I have a feeling he may be wrong. How often do these men teach Christ and Him crucified? They seem to desire conflict more than Christ.

  22. Ummm…you’re not focusing! 😉

    Not hiding…just having computer problems-ugh.

    It’s because their version of the truth doesn’t hold water to what the Bible really says. If they really were just going by what the Bible says (as they claim they are doing) then there would be no need for the intrusive, manipulative, and obnoxious behavior they present.

    Real truth can stand alone and does not need hidden cameras and agendas. It proves their need and desire for control and power, puffing up their pride and feathers like a peacock. Honestly, all of their efforts actually backfire on them-making them look more foolish, juvenile and nothing at all like Christ.

    I really don’t think their goal is to further the kingdom or bring people to Christ-just into their way of thinking. That has all the makings of a cult, and is something I would stay far far away from.

  23. “They seem to desire conflict more than Christ.”

    Did you watch the preaching video? It’s interesting how so much of what these men talk about is how wrong everyone else is. Is that what the congregation at M’ville cofC hears each week? Do they ever preach Jesus and Him crucified and resurrected, without taking the opportunity to slam someone else at the same time?

    It was an… interesting… broadcast, all around.

  24. “On August 4, 2008 at 9:23 am Chris Knight Said:

    “The insecurity root is the cause of this!”

    You’re the FOURTH person that I’ve herd who has said this in the past few days, walkinlove. That Robertson and his minions are motivated out of “insecurity”.”

    From a psychology aspect people compensate for things they feel weak about. Thus the bully is really afraid, and in John’s case he has setup a scenario where he can never be wrong, at least in his own mind. Because everyone except their Church are false teachers, they can ignore what anyone says no matter how true it may be simply by falling back on the false prophet catch all.

    When I had an encounter with CoC and was told I was not saved etc. I actually threw out everything I had been taught and went through the scriptures again, having never been down the road that Pastors go through in their studies I must say it was an eye opening experience.

    Mathew 28’s great commission and call for baptism in the name of the father, son and Holy Spirit may have been added in after the recreation of the text from the persecution by Rome that say many manuscripts burned. That the ending of Mark is also in question.

    After doing the research, I found that their claims of their church being named in the bible was at best an overstatement, that their focus on Acts 2:38 appears to be unbalanced and excludes on changes the faith based teachings of Paul who was almost totally unfocused on Baptism and also that the gentiles who were given the Holy Spirit did so without water baptism being part of that process and thus makes Acts 2:38’s process questionable by itself. That their explanation that Christ’s new covenant only started at Pentecost was unfounded because sin sacrifices involved the killing of the offering and that was the covering, thus Christ’s death was payment not his rising from the dead or the entry of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, that their teachings raise water to the forth version of God in the Bible because without water you can not be saved! And finally their stand that all who question their views are false teachers, thus they are unable to live with others faults and levels of understanding. One ex-CoC member put it to point, that a member of the CoC who was not fully trained in CoC teachings was still considered saved but that same grace was not available to anyone else who believed and was not part of the CoC. Love should always believe the best, and while I believe they are seeking after God, I do wonder if Satan has not trapped them in their own Judgments and they are reaping and are blind because of it.

    During this study I read Greek meanings of words and Church historical documents, while no expert I did work out my salvation again as a precaution to make sure that I was not under false teachings. And while I know that I only see in part and will see all one day, I do know that Jesus is Lord and savior and my only hope to salvation. Thus I am saved because I profess and was baptized and have been changed by my walk with Jesus. While I have a long way to go, I am a long way from where I started this walk.

    So my conclusion is they are wrong! I spent several months doing this study, I only ask that since a brother in Christ says they are out of balance and under God’s judgment of sowing and reaping that they do a study on the subject to see if they are actually fallen into Satan’s trap. That they study David and his treatment of Saul and acknowledge that all authority comes from God, both good and bad rule only by his willingness to allow them to rule, and that God is big enough to deal with those who have abused that authority and while you may disagree with those who teach differently, out of respect for God you honor the position, not because of the person but because God is the one who is in charge.

  25. I don’t believe God makes bad things happen to people, but he does bless people. And I don’t believe it is always the devil that did it, sometimes it is the fault of people to blame, we do have free will. People sometimes bring bad things on themselves. Especially when someone is out to harm another person in whatever way. Which I believe Johnny with his enlarged ego whether it is with a gun or a video recorder when using either one it is being used to harm some other persons life. When he goes around trying to dig up dirt on people it was pretty much inevitable for someone to eventually do some digging on him. I believe people cause themselves to reap what they sow. When any of us do something bad and a bad outcome happens because of it, the blame is on ourself not on God. But we can ask God to forgive us and through Jesus He does. I think we all have made mistakes in our past that we are not proud of. Though we will still make mistakes we also have the choice to learn and grow from them. I believe people try too hard sometimes to change themselves instead of letting God do it. I do believe with God all things are possible.

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