What Does Johnny Robertson Say? Updated

(Updated June 30, 2008 – check below)

“we are here to defeat destroy you and uplift truth”

That’s what Johnny Robertson said on June 11, 2008 right here.

Now, for those of us who spend time on this blog, this is a little bit of old news.  However, it’s really been eating at me these last 24 hours or so.  Forget all of our differences, just for a moment, but I want all of you (especially those of you know and listen to Johnny Robertson) to think about those words.  “Defeat”?  Okay.  “Uplift truth”?  Amen.  But “Destroy“? 

Destroy?”

I challenge each and every hyperconservative church of Christ person who frequents this blog to find me one example of New Testament authorization for Johnny Robertson’s wish to destroy persons who disagree with his doctrine.  Is that really “what the Bible says”? 

Let’s look at a few examples of the proper use of the word “destroy” in the NT.

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”  Matthew 5:17

“For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save [them].”  Luke 9:56

“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.”  John 10:10

Now, there are other passages that talk about God destroying the wicked, but it’s not the job of God’s followers.

Let’s look at a couple of more points.

Jesus – Did Jesus seek to destroy his enemies? 

But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.  Luke 6:27-31

What about the writers of the New Testament?

Paul (Saul) – (Acts 9) Now, certainly Saul tried to destroy his enemies, but that was prior to his being saved.  I think that truth says so, so very much.  (I’ve said before that Johnny reminds me of a Saul who needs to become a Paul, and this incident just confirms the truth of that statement.)  After his conversion, what sorts of things did Paul say about how a believer should treat his or her enemy? 

Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary,

“if your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink;
for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:17-21, ESV

And what about Peter?

Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.  1 Peter 3:9

Now, I know that this is difficult to do.  It’s not easy being a Christian and truly living and loving in a Christlike manner.  We all make mistakes, and certainly on the internet we all say things we later regret. 

Johnny, I would like to extend you the opportunity to make amends for this inflammatory comment.  Perhaps you would like to clarify what you meant.  Perhaps you would like to apologize if you recognize in hindsight that it was out of line and not a fitting comment for a person who calls himself a follower of Christ.  If you apologize, I will not mention it again on this blog.  It will be forgotten – “as far as the east is from the west” – at least by me.  With others?  I cannot say.  The damage is probably already done.  But a little humility can go a long way.

Conversely, if you stand by that statement, if it is truly your desire to “destroy” those who disagree with you, then it will come back around to you.  Just like you take statements from people and broadcast them again and again in an attempt to engrain them into the psyche of your viewers, your comment will return again and again, here and other other places.  This won’t be out of spite, or a desire to be vindictive, it will be so that people will know what you truly stand for, if that is indeed your true feelings regarding those you consider to be “unbelievers”.

The ball is in your court.

Update:  As of the first of July, we have still not received any sort of retraction or apology from Johnny Robertson.  He made some half-hearted attempts to justify his words, but he didn’t come close to saying that his words were wrong or that he was sorry for misspeaking.  His lack of humility on this subject speaks volumes, IMO.  1 Peter 5:5 tells us that followers of Christ are to be “clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.”  Johnny, don’t be proud.  You can still apologize, and my guarantee to forget the offense stands.

“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”  (Matt. 6:12, 14-15)

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29 thoughts on “What Does Johnny Robertson Say? Updated

  1. JR’s response (not given on this post):

    “Boys and girls
    2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
    5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
    check out “pulling down”
    2506. kayairesiv kathairesis, kath-ah’-ee-res-is
    Search for 2506 in KJV

    from 2507; demolition; figuratively, extinction:–destruction, pulling down.

    We are determined to rid the world of false thought

    Chris you can live now

    your false thoughts have to go

    By the way… if we dont get this out of you , you won’t get into heaven with all that silly love stuff you claim

    settle down children it was the Bible that Johnny boy was using”

    The Bible has been used to do destroy people before, JR. Any amateur student of history can show how it has been misused in that way a number of times.

    But even so, the verses JR gave don’t reflect the comment made in the original comment. Let me remind everyone of what JR said just a little over a day ago:

    “we are here to defeat destroy you and uplift truth”

    He was talking directly to this writer when he wrote that – he called me a false teacher, and then look at what he said he was going to do: “defeat destroy you…”

    Not my doctrine.
    Not my denomination.
    Not my blog.
    Not my interpretation of Scripture.
    But me.

    When someone says they are out to destroy me, it gets my attention.

    Johnny – if that was not what you meant to say, is it so hard to just say that you said what you were trying to say in an unfortunate and mistaken way, and that you are sorry? Is it so hard to say that you have no interest in destroying me personally – but that you would like my doctrine to be destroyed?

  2. Not to put words in Johnny’s mouth but I figure that he doesn’t consider you as a stumbling Christian brother deserving of Christian love but as an immoral false teacher deliberately spreading false ungodly religious teachings incompatible with God’s truth and thus in need of destruction.

  3. There is no way he can Biblically justify this-it literally makes me sick. I see nothing but darkness coming from this man-there is no light, there is no Jesus-only darkness. It is actually a little scary.

    Eventually the light will have to break through the darkness, though-because God is WAY more powerful than satan and has already won this battle.

  4. nathan,
    i am a patient man, reading this blog whenever i can.
    please dont continue to hold out an olive branch to john
    he is the worst sort of manipulator.
    you dont want any part of his company. if your reading this john, tell us all about your LOVE for brian edwards. did jesus whisper good job in your ear yet?
    is it comforting at night when its just you all alone with your mind racing……..
    ‘well lee and ac smith dont have anything on tape”?
    you are a liar and you know it and you cant get away from the tape that replays in your mind{its the one on a loop} also, feel free to use me as your written punching bag. unlike some here i dont think much of your abilities. and give faithless my money for the sinners prayer.
    btw chris your explanation of a fool is right.
    someone incapable of redemption.
    nathan
    ]knock that dust off like jesus said. if he does come to christ it will be with the holy ghosts urging,not with anything you say………..as good as it is.
    a friend, lee

  5. Johnny…

    Interesting that you did not include the following verse in your quote, which comes only 3 verses after your chosen citation…

    2Corinthians 10:8
    For even if I boast a little too much of our authority, which the Lord gave for building you up and not for destroying you, I will not be ashamed.

    Besides this important addition to complete Paul’s message, there is also something else to consider…Paul is defending his apostleship. Certainly and inspired apostle has the knowledge of God by revelation from Jesus Christ, but do you?

    Look in the context…who is Paul referring to when he says “we”?
    2Corinthians 10:7 “Look at what is before your eyes. If anyone is confident that he is Christ’s, let him remind himself that just as he is Christ’s, so also are we.”
    2Corinthians 10:11
    “Let such a person understand that what we say by letter when absent, we do when present.”
    2Corinthians 10:2
    “I beg of you that when I am present I may not have to show boldness with such confidence as I count on showing against some who suspect us of walking according to the flesh.”
    The “we’s” (and the “us” of vs 2) refer to Paul and the other apostles/prophets. You and I and other evangelists are not necessarily in Paul’s mind as he writes because he is not defending ministry in general, but his specific ministry.

    Do we do similar work? Absolutely…but not with the authority of Paul…and this section of Scripture is not talking about you and me, but the ministry of an apostle.

  6. I accept

    Destroy in the Bible?

    2Co 13:10 Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to DESTRUCTION .

    in 2cor 13:10 we have the same greek word as in 2Cor 10:4
    in 10:4 it is “pulling down” in English
    In 13:10 it is “destruction” in English

    will you now admit that the Bible says that we are “to pull down” i.e. “destroy” any false thing that exalts itself…
    we believe you all are the false
    and we are trying to pull down or bring about the destruction of your belief system

    I doubt you will admit anything
    I see you have not yet disavowed the “great knight”
    look at the language being spewed over there

  7. Lee said
    if your reading this john, tell us all about your LOVE for brian edwards. did jesus whisper good job in your ear yet?
    is it comforting at night when its just you all alone with your mind racing……..

    Let me remind all here,
    Brian Edwards called into my show and called me David Koresh
    He then said I was jealous of his best friend Tim Whiteheart (Baptist in Mville

    So…. it turns out his best friend was having sex with the flute player and has been fired
    the church in mville has split since then

    I let Brian come on my show for free to present his position….
    How did he do?

    He wanted to sue me and charles because he didnt like me replaying the “uncut” “unedited” version of the discussion.

    That says it all

    just like Chris

    thanks Lee for making me give you all the truth on Brian

    the uncut debate is available
    FREEEEEE

    write to me
    biblesays81@hotmail.com

  8. Johnny,

    You are missing the point. In your original post, you didn’t mention anything about my (or anyone else’s) belief system or doctrine. Let me remind you of what you said before the quote in question.

    “you are a false teacher and we see everything opposite of you

    So dont think we care about your visionary comments

    we are here to defeat destroy you and uplift truth”

    See? You didn’t say you were “here to destroy my doctrine”. You said you were here to destroy ME. And you don’t understand why I have a problem with this?

    Now, I’ve offered you this a couple of times now and I’ll offer it yet again…

    If you honestly didn’t mean to write exactly what you wrote, and you tell me that, I won’t lord it over you – and I’ll even remove the quote from the side of the blog. I just want to know that I don’t need to buy a German Shepherd and a can of mace.

    Seriously.

    Matthew 18:4

  9. john ,
    so much spinning, but you still are the one who lied
    “i take every opertunity to make a fool out of brian edwards” and weeks later after you affirmed your love for him on air i called you to remind you of it.
    you lied and said you didnt say it. but ac smith and myself heard it. you know its so.
    check your pants……i smell smoke
    lee

  10. I tried to explain to Johnny Robertson during our first meeting that almost everything in this world has become about power and acquiring more power over others.

    That a follower of Christ is not interested in power over others.

    That a follower of Christ must CRUCIFY their desire for power, if they want to have the full life in Christ that we are called to have.

    If there has been anything else in addition to what I’ve been trying to get across, that’s it…

    That for lust of power, we destroy our testimony and we destroy ourselves.

    Robertson does not understand this.

    And so he apparently has no moral conscience in regard to his admitted seeking of the destruction of others.

    Ultimately, this is what it has become to him: a lust for power. Justified in the name of Christ.

    There’s a song from the movie “Prince of Egypt”. It’s about looking at things “through Heaven’s eyes”.

    What does Heaven see when it witnesses the things that these men are doing?

    What possible purpose is there for worldly power, in Heaven’s eyes?

    This will be the lasting testimony of the Churches of Christ in this area…

    Religio Depopulata

  11. Johnny, Clint made you offer, and you are hiding from ot, so maybe Clint could just post something about the three things he wanted to debate you on and then maybe you will reply…

  12. Johnny is so blind to the Word of God , he can’t even see the verses in the second part of the introduction here. He knows He is totally incapable of doing any of those things even though God tells Him to.

  13. Besides the one mispelled word. What I was trying to say is the truth and all Johnny has to do to prove it is true is say anything that comes from his twisted mind, it sure isn’t God. Johnny is a man that has absolutely no compassion, he cannot show any fruits of the spirit and certainly is incapable of showing true Christlike behavior.

  14. “To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
    Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
    To the last syllable of recorded time,
    And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
    The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
    Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
    And then is heard no more: it is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.

    Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5

  15. The question that should be asked is, how is it that, in a crowd of thousands milling about in bewilderment with 120 people all speaking at once, they were able to hear their own language being spoken to themselves?

    Mainstream teaches they spoke in man made languages, but it would have been difficult for them to even hear what was spoken. However if the 120 had been speaking in the language of Angles and they had been given the ability to interpret would they not have heard it in their own language?

    Go put 120 people all speaking different languages together in a group and see if you can hear your language being spoken!

    I have talked with someone who spoke in tongues and the person who was given the ability to hear it did not realize tongues were being spoken because he was hearing it in English!

  16. The spirit gave them the utterance to speak in tongues. these 120 have gone up in the upper room before and nothing happen like this has ever happened. So how did thay know thay were to speak in tongues, and little cloves of fire? Is someone making all this up? I might as well go back to reading science fiction.

  17. Silas,

    You will find it in Acts as a quotation of Isiah 28:11, also John the Baptist said that Jesus would baptize with with Holy Spirit and with fire, Matthew 3:11.

    As for it being science fiction, I take it you do not believe that the Bible is God’s word?

  18. It was NOT 120 speaking in tongues. Follow the nouns and pronouns.

    23So THEY proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24Then THEY prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of THESE two you have chosen 25to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26Then THEY cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias

    1When the day of Pentecost came, THEY ( THE 12 APOSTLES, NOT 120 ) were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of THEM. 4ALL of THEM were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

    5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all THESE MEN ( NOT WOMEN AND CHILDREN, NOT THE 120 ) who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11(both Jews and converts to Judaism Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”

    13Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.[b]”

    14Then Peter stood up with the ELEVEN ( NOT 120 )

  19. I was being sarcastic about reading science fiction because it seems like nobody believes in talking tongues as evidence of recieving the Holy Ghost.
    Peter, after coming out of the prayer room said, “But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel, in the last days I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh…sons…daughters…young men… old men…servants…handmaidens. That seems more than 120 or even 11. So what Peter and the 11 experianced, more will experiance the same thing.

  20. As long as you do not subscribe to speaking in tongues = salvation and without it you are not saved. Some Pentecostals teach this and it is not Biblical!

  21. And also that Paul considered it to be the least in importance that speaking in a way you could understand was much more important!

    1 Cor 14:18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

    So please keep it in perspective as the abuse of the gift has been partly to blame for people being unwilling to consider the gifts valid today!

  22. 1Cor14:2 For he that speaketh in an unkown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God.
    v.4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;
    v.5 I would that ye all spake with tongues;
    v.14 For if I pray in an unkown tongue, my spirit prayeth,
    v.39 and forbid not to speak with tongues.
    Mark16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe;…they shall speak with new tongues;
    Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
    Luke 24:49 I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
    2 Tim.3:5,7 Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof:v.7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
    Matt.7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. v.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works.v.23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    Acts 10:44-48 “for they heard them speak with tongues”
    Acts 19:1-6 “and they spake with tongues”
    Who told these people to speak in tongues? It’s not recorded that Peter told them to.
    What is it about speaking in tongues that your afraid of? I feel good when I speak in tongues and when I feel the anointing and power of God. This Holy Ghost is real. I came from the world, so I know the difference between what is God, and what isn’t.
    My Pastor and a couple of other Pastors from here in CA. broke off from the United Pentecostal Church because thay are letting go of the standards and covictions thay once believed and taught.
    Thank You for bringing these questions up, It really helped me to see my convictions in a different light.

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