What I REALLY Think…

I’ve been having some discussion with Shawn over at Randy’s blog, and it’s been interesting. I need to comment on this here, because from what I understand, Shawn’s church in Texas supports the work that Johnny Robertson, Norm Fields and James Oldfield have here in Martinsville. So, since these men won’t participate in our discussions, I see Shawn as a substitute for them – and it seems like they all went through obstinance training together.

It’s really interesting to see how they respond the same way on the different mediums of blog and TV. Shawn and I had a long period where this was the only thing he would say to me:

“It is a sin to add food elements to the Lord’s Supper. YES or NO

If YES please provide the passage that forbids adding food elements.

Are you an illegalist? YES or NO”

Now, this started out as questions he was asking someone else. I made the mistake of interjecting my own questions, and then BOOM! He started asking me this question over and over, ad nauseum. Sounds a bit like the way Johnny, Norm and James don’t like to have anyone other than themselves in control of the conversation on their program, doesn’t it?

Well, I went ahead and answered his questions. But, did Shawn ever come back and answer mine? Nope.

You see, over the last few months, as I’ve studied these men and their methods, I’ve realized that what they do best is control. And if they can’t control, they don’t play the game. It’s especially interesting how Shawn has attempted to maintain control of the conversation in our blog discussion, by basically resorting to what they call on the internet, “trolling”. This has made me relook at the methods our big 3 use on the air – that they were trolling before trolling was cool!

But, even more interesting has been how I’ve seen their doctrines crumble when closely examined. You see, they claim to follow a pretty strict pattern, which they say is following God’s Word. However, they only follow it as far as they are comfortable, but their way is the ONLY way. I’ve mentioned a number of times on this blog how none of them greet one another with Holy Kisses, but they say it was only a custom, and they aren’t bound to it.

Isn’t it interesting how they decided that THAT was a custom, and not binding, but heaven forbid if you don’t observe the Lord’s Supper each week!

Another thing – they argue that theirs is the only church in the NT. I will give $1000 to anyone who can find “church of Christ” in the NT! It just ain’t there, folks! And yet they claim that it is. And, heaven forbid that you follow Jesus in any other church, because those churches just aren’t found in Scripture.

Anyway, this has been enlightening, and I hope that anyone else who spends time studying these men and their teaching will also see just how many holes can be poked in their doctrine.

Now, the question begs to be answered – Nathan, why do you care? Well, I take umbridge to the fact that these men come on the air each week for four hours, and essentially tell us that they are right and everyone else is wrong – that they and their churches are the only ones heaven-bound. If they want to believe that, and they meet and enjoy each other’s company and do their own thing, I don’t mind. But, when they invade my home, my community, the way that they do – video cameras and secret recordings on their hips – that is when I take offense and go on the offensive.

I just wish they’d come here and play with us! But, thank goodness for Mr. Shawn – the only one of them all willing to step out from behind the shadows and engage us in conversation.

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57 thoughts on “What I REALLY Think…

  1. You see, Shawn isnt controled by Johnny as Norm and James. Shawn helps fund them…so he will fight their battles for them. Its funny seeing them all use the same “creeds” but yet say one doesnt exsist. I have every argument they have…I have their creed book.

    Swawn, maybe since Johnny and crew didnt follow the example and try to restore Jason, you should say something to them about not following the pattern. Seems like the Lords Supper should remind you of what Christ done and then you inturn go after the lost brother, but instead your focus isnt upon the heart of the matter, but on “the first day of the week” and my past probelms whick also the Lords Supper should remind you about “forgiveness” seems your heart isnt in the right place and I am sincere when I say, I am concerned for you guys. You have lost the true meaning of the Lords Supper to the degree you dont act in love to your own who has left and to those you consider lost….so sad Shawn and I hope one day you repent of this.

  2. How about Romans 16.16…it talks about the “churches of Christ,” i.e. more than one “church of Christ.” Does this win the $1000 prize?

  3. Due to Shawn acting up so much, I had no alternative but ban him. He kept bringing my past up against me over and over and really was just neglecting the questions and done so by putting the focus upon me. I have since pulled all of his comments too.

  4. So if you don’t like what someone says you will ban them from your blog. Well thats quit nice of you. And oh yes if you have a copy of the King James Bible, yes you do have a copy of their creed ( the word of the Lord.)

    George

  5. George,

    If you were following the debate with Shawn, you’ll know that while Randy’s decision to ban Shawn is regrettable (because Shawn was the first fundy CofC person who has answered Randy’s or my challenge to debate), they were also unavoidable. Shawn wasn’t discussing – he was harassing AND trolling:

    1) He would continually ask the same question over and over and over, without ever giving his discussion opponents the benefit of an answer.
    2) And then, when he started getting personal with Randy?

    Yeah, Randy. Good decision. Maybe the next person to come and debate will actually discuss, and not be so much of a jerk. (Sorry for the name-calling, but if the shoe fits…)

    That being said, if Shawn wants to continue discussing the issues he and I were discussing, he’s welcome to come here and try, as long as he actually discusses and doesn’t act so childish.

    As to the KJV being “their creed”, you need to clarify and say that “their interpretation of the KJV is their creed”. Although Randy had something else in mind.

    Sola Dei Gloria!
    Nathan

  6. npulpit:

    Thanks for the try, but nope. That’s not what I asked for – I said, “I will give $1000 to anyone who can find “church of Christ” in the NT!” – and you mentioned “churchES of Christ”.

    You see, Johnny Robertson has this same offer out there – that he’ll give $1000 if a person can show where his church is found in the NT. I showed Johnny where the Presbyterian Church can be found, but he apparently didn’t accept my demonstration because it wasn’t exact enough.

    My point? The churches that Paul mentions were specific churches that existed at that time, and which no longer exist. The Church (universal) still exists, and is made up of believers from across the spectrum. This is Johnny, Norm, James, and Shawn’s mistake – to somehow claim that THEIR churches (which assemble in Martinsville, Reidsville, Danville, and Texas) are the same churches.

    But, no – “Church of Christ” – singular – is not found in the NT.

    But interesting that you should bring up Romans 16:16… have you heard about Paul’s command that believers greet one another with “a holy kiss”?

    Sola Dei Gloria!
    Nathan

  7. I would like to see Shawn come on your blog and debate the issues without name calling and attacking the person as he did at ChurchesofChrist.wordpress.com

    Shawn, please pickup the debate on this blog for the people in Martinsville to read. You keep wanting someome to call you as if you have more to say on the phone than on here. On here, we all can read each side. Hope to see you guys talking about the Lords supper or something…but I doubt you will do so. Why are you guys so afraid to allow people to read??

  8. In your creed, does it state to restore a brother back to Christ?? In your creed did Paul also meet on the sabbath ( Acts 17 ) In your creed did some sell their things? Your creed in not the bible, but is the creed of the church of Christ denomination.

  9. Hello, npulpit. Is this Shawn?

    Either way, folks in many fundamentalist Churches of Christ use Rom 16:16 as a proof that their church has a right to exist, while other denominations do not. However, they conveniently ignore the first part of Rom 16:16, which is one of a handful of places in the NT where believers are commanded to greet each other with a holy kiss.

    I’ve not yet met a Church of Christ fundamentalist who practices this command, and yet they tell the rest of us that we are hell-bound for not practicing the parts of Scripture that THEY say you need to practice.

    Sounds inconsistent on their part.

    ‘npulpit’, if you are a fundamentalist CofC person, do you practice this command? If not, why not?

    Thank you,
    Nathan

  10. Where is my comment about the pentecoastal church. I know first hand that these people are frauds. They say they speak in tongue just like the Bible says the disciples did. But yet the Bible says on the day of pentecost when the discilples were given the gift to speak in tongue, when the disciples spoke everyone around them could understand them in their own language. This gave the disciples the ability to speak the word of God to anyone. When these pentecostals speak in tongue nobody can understand anything they are saying, they are just making weird sounds and call it the Holy Ghost. These people can seriously hurt a person spiritually and emotionally when they tell someone thet God isn’t with this person if they haven’t spoke in tongue and they do tell people this. They can also hurt a persons soul because they try to get people to fake something like they do to say that God is with them when actually to fake something and say its God would be against God. I do not see anything wrong when someone tries to expose churches out there that can seriously hurt people and their lives and especially their souls.

  11. TRUTH wrote:
    “I do not see anything wrong when someone tries to expose churches out there that can seriously hurt people and their lives and especially their souls.”

    I agree to a point. I have no problem with people pointing out the wrong teachings of people. Well, if you think about it we all do it whether we realize it or not. But as long it is done with love and compassion and respect, then have at it. But if people are doing just for spike, then I have a problem with it. They are not trying to lift a fellow brother/sister up they are after their own gain. Whatever that may be.

  12. Also I want anyone who claims to speak in tongue to know if when you speak in tongue and no one else is able to understand what you are saying you are not doing as the Bible says and I am praying for you. I believe God does hold us accountable for the wrongs that we do and to fake such a thing is serious for your soul and I don’t think people think about this when they are caught up in the moment. I don’t think people should need proof of God in order to believe he is real.

  13. Thank you Matt. I do believe it is wrong for these preachers who are out their teaching people lies and they need to be exposed because they really do hurt people when they are lying to them about things like this. I just don’t want anyone else to get hurt by these people.

  14. I do think these people need to be stopped for what they are out there doing. The only way to do that is to educate people about them and the frauds that they are. Please excuse my typing. I’m just trying to show that there are people who are teaching people serious wrongs and hope that others can see that. I think these people who are claiming to have these gifts and clearly don’t by what the the Bible tells us are the false prophets the Bible talks about and people need to be warned of this.

  15. I just wanted to speak out that there are churches like the pentecostal church that are frauds and I want to try to make people aware of this because it is very serious when they are hurting people . This is a way to do that. If can help someone I want to. This is about our souls and salvation and these frauds are lying to people and I believe that is wrong. The main things I can do is pray and read the Bible. I think this is something that people need to be made more aware of.

  16. jesus said “you do err not knowing the scriptures”
    i am sorry if some group of pentacostals hurt or misled you
    but i believe paul said ” i would that ye all spake with tongues
    also let it be by two or at the most by three and that by course let one interpret” so he was saying people wouldnt understand. there are other tongues and an unknown tongue
    i believe we can pray to god for things we dont know how to pray for in this language. but if you dont agree….no harm.
    praise the lord

  17. Interpret what, the language the disciples were speaking or the disciples being able to interpret the languages of the other people they were speaking the word of God to. And so if there needs to be an interpreter if someone is speaking in tongue then people shouldn’t speak in tongue without an interpreter present. When these pentecostals so called speak in tongue it is nothing in the way the Bible says and isn’t it strange how they can just turn it on and off as they please. I’m sorry but what they do is contrary to what the Bible says. God knows who these false prophets are and I believe they will be judged.

  18. once again i am not saying everyone who you will meet is operating according to the scriptures, but the word of god says what it says. i didnt write it. but i sure do believe it.
    paul gave instructions concerning your exact questions.
    take some time to examine this area for yourself.
    dont be affected by a bad experience with some group that may not be in gods will. remember god gives us only good things .

  19. Explain this:

    I don’t know that I believe that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. This
    is of great significance because John 1:17, 5:46-47, 7:19, Josh 8:32
    etc. all give Moses credit for writing the law. If he didn’t do it, then
    that would mean that these statements are wrong, untrue, fallacious, and
    so on.

    Below are the reasons I give for possibly denying Mosaic authorship:

    Gen 12:6 – “And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem,
    unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.”

    The Canaanites were not driven out of the land until after death of
    Moses, in the days of Joshua. Whoever was writing this had to be living
    after the expulsion of the Canaanites from the land. Couldn’t be Moses.
    Also see Gen 13:7.

    Gen 36:31 – “And these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom,
    before there reigned any king over the children of Israel.”
    This verse was clearly written during the days of the kings, which
    couldn’t have been before David. This is not the writing of Moses.
    Consider this in light of I Sam. 10:24-25.

    Num 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they
    found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
    “Were” in the wilderness proves this verse was written after they had
    left the wilderness. Moses died in the wilderness.

    Deu 2:12 The Horims also dwelt in Seir beforetime; but the children of
    Esau succeeded them, when they had destroyed them from before them, and
    dwelt in their stead; as Israel did unto the land of his possession,
    which the LORD gave unto them.

    Again, this is a refrence that could only be made after the Jews had
    made it into the promised land and conquered the enemies within. This
    had to be after the death of Moses, meaning he did not write it.

    There are many other verses that fly in the face of Mosaic authorship,
    but for sake of time I have only mentioned a few. Add to this the fact
    that the law was written in the third person (Num.1:1; 2:1, Deut 33:1).
    Pronouns like I, me, myself, or mine are never employed by the writer,
    as would be the case if Moses were the author.

    The common defense set forth to say that Moses was the author is “he had
    miraculous ability that enabled him to write as if he were looking back
    after his death.” It’s funny though that when the Mormons use statements
    like this, they are not valid and therefore rejected. If it walks like a
    duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, the rational conclusion
    is that it is a duck. The Pentateuch looks like it was written by
    someone other than Moses; therefore it is safe to conclude that Moses
    did not author it. Remember Occam’s Razor – the simplest explanation is
    the best.

  20. explain this:

    John 13:1 doesn’t say that Jesus was crucified before the Passover. But it tells us that the passover feast had not taken place yet, and following the context all the way up to chapter 18, we can HONESTLY conclude that the feast in 18:28 was the feast mentioned in 13:1. Follow the context ; this is all one continuous saga from 13 to 18 – there is no break. And if John is ‘likely’ referring to the ‘hagigah feast’, then why didn’t John make this clear? IT amazes me how that when these guys face difficulties in the Bible, they ALWAYS go to the Greek or ancient Jewish customs. Again, this presents a gigantic problem. You have to know Greek and ancient Jewish customs to understand God’s book that is so simple, a child could understand it! Add to this Hebrew and Aramaic, and you must possess a PhD in order to go to heaven! This guy doesn’t know Greek; he took a few classes in the basics like I did. It is a smoke screen. I would bet that all of the translators knew Greek better than Jeff, but none of them translated Passover to ‘hagigah’. Wonder why?

    He said I omit verse 19:42. What difference does that make? As I have already pointed out, the context is referring to the passover feast. He can’t get around this fact. At the end of the day, we still have Mark teaching that Jesus ate the Passover feast with his disciples, while John states that the Jews wanted to crucify Jesus BEFORE eating the passover. But don’t worry; with a little patience and prayer, I’ll ignore the plain teaching of scripture and embrace Geisler, Nix, and Archer with all of their Greek and Jewish custom knowledge. Wonder why he doesn’t refer you to scholars such as Drs. Bart Ehrman, Bob Price, and Earl Doherty? Oh I know, cause they don’t enforce his agenda. Remember, you can’t trust the scholarship of atheist and agnostics.

    He sure does like the word ‘odd.’ Why don’t you get this guy to explain why the contradictions I presented are so odd? Just out of curiosity, explain the differences in genealogies listed in Matt. 1 and Luke 3:23ff. I can’t wait to hear his response.

  21. Here is something I would like for you to consider: Did Jesus die before
    or after the passover? In John, we are told that Jesus is crucified
    before the Passover (John 13:1; 18:28; 18;39; 19:14; 19:31). But Mark
    says after (Mk 14:12ff). Get back with me on this and let me know how
    one could reconcile these two.

  22. I believe what the Bible says but I also believe people take what the Bible says and twist it to fit what they want you to believe. And I don’t think anyone is able to completely understand everything the Bible says. There are alot of things in the Bible people can take and twist into something else and that is wrong.

  23. how are some things being moderated during “certain hours” and some get thru under the same name and some under the same URL with diff. names???

  24. to truth

    where in the heak did you get that everyone understood when the diciples spoke in tongues.

  25. Acts Chapter 2 verses 6-11 from the Bible on the day of pentecost when the Holy Spirit gave the disciples the ability to speak with other tongues.
    “Now when this noise abroad , the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that EVERY MAN HEARD THEM SPEAK IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying on to another, Behold, are not all these that SPEAK Galilaeans? And HOW HEAR WE EVERY MAN IN OUR OWN TONGUE, WHEREIN WE WERE BORN? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia. Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, WE DO HEAR THEM SPEAK IN OUR OWN TONGUES THE WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD.”

    Straight from the word of God in the Bible.

  26. The pentecostals say they speak in tongue just as the disciples did on the day of pentecost.When these pentecostals claim to speak in tongue nobody can understand anything they are saying they are just making weird sounds, anybody can do that. Everyone with the disciples could understand what they were SPEAKING in their OWN LANGUAGE.

  27. When everyone could understand in their own language what the disciples spoke that was the miracle. God gave them this great gift so the disciples could teach the word of God to anyone of any language. And I think it is sad when people take such a wonderful miracle of God and make it into something rediculous for their own ego.

  28. If you use the same name each time, it will not need to be approved. For example, Shawn’s continued trolling doesn’t need to be approved because he’s been approved once already as “Shawn”.

  29. To “to lee”:

    Why did the original person who asked the question about passover say that Matt 14 says that Passover was celebrated AFTER the crucifixion? It says:

    “And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?”

    That doesn’t say that they celebrated Passover later. In fact, if you read that whole chapter, it talks about how they celebrated Passover together and took the Lord’s Supper at that meal.

    Not sure I see the contradiction. Am I missing something?

    Nathan

  30. nathan, im not sure about the” to lee “response as i was trying to help Truth with some truth. do they think im someone else? little help over here.
    thanks lee

  31. I was addressing you Lee, since you wanted to help people. The statemenst to you was from a friend of mine, who is now turning against the bible and is now pointing out things that he considers to be false or contrary. I have already seen that many people cant anser him…so go ahead and try

  32. Randy,

    There isn’t anything to try… Mark doesn’t say that Passover was after the Lord’s Supper.

    Nathan

  33. nathan, sorry to be so slow to understand this multiple question format but im not sure who all the people are that im responding to. a little confusing to me anyway.
    but i dont want to get away from what seemed to be your purpose in starting this site, talking about the church of christ. they are doing a lot of harm to people that i dont know, but listening to them seem to love christ. and have served him most of their lives. those are the one im concerned about being led astray.
    thanks lee

  34. to truth

    read the verses above that
    acts 2:2-5.

    and if they understood why did they say that they were full of new wine (acts 2:13)

  35. Acts 2:2-5 “And there APPEARED unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with OTHER TONGUES, as the Spirit gave them the utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out if EVERY NATION under heaven.”
    And continued Acts 6-11 tells how all these other people from other nations could understand in their own language what the disciples said when they spoke. Like I said the pentecostals say they speak in tongue as the disciples did on this day. But when these pentecostals so called speak in tongue they can only make weird sounds, no one can understand them. None of what these pentecostals do comes close to what the Bible says happened on that day. And I think its pretty clear what the Bible says there.

  36. Frist of all read 1 corithians Chapter 13:1 you will notice it says “Tongues of men and of ANGELS” I have been in service where God moved in a manner when we had visitors spoke another language God moved and Someone spoke that language that knew only english.

    Any way let me help you on the Day of Pentecost where were they outside or in the upper room?

  37. Whoops – my bad.

    After rereading the passages, I do see that the Passover was celebrated at a different time than the Lord’s Supper – afterwards. However, I don’t see any contradiction.

    Matthew 26:2 “As you know, the Passover celebration begins in two days, and I, the Son of Man, will be betrayed and crucified.”

    Matthew 26:5 “But not during the Passover,” they agreed, “or there will
    be a riot.”

    Matthew 26:17 On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to prepare the Passover supper?”

    Luke 22:8 Jesus sent Peter and John ahead and said, “Go and prepare the Passover meal, so we can eat it together.”

    John 13:1 Before the Passover celebration, Jesus knew that his hour had come to leave this world and return to his Father. He now showed the disciples the full extent of his love.*

    John 19:14 It was now about noon of the day of preparation for the Passover. And Pilate said to the people,* “Here is your king!”

    John 19:31 The Jewish leaders didn’t want the victims hanging there the next day, which was the Sabbath (and a very special Sabbath at that, because it was the Passover), so they asked Pilate to hasten their deaths by ordering that their legs be broken. Then their bodies could be taken down.

    A very detailed explanation can be found here:

    http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOliveBranch/append156.html

    I don’t think this is stretching things. Mark doesn’t say that Jesus was actually eating the Passover, it says that the disciples found a place where they could take the Passover, and that they made preparations, and then that they and the Lord ate together.

    To me, this says that they weren’t anticipating Jesus’ death – they were just going about business as usual. It actually seems logical that Jesus would be betrayed and arrested on the day that Jews sacrificed the lamb that would ultimately end up as a part of the Passover.

    You learn something new every day!

    Sola Dei Gloria,
    Nathan

  38. I’m just saying that there are false prophets out there. And I’ve been to services where these people just make weird sounds and no one can understand them, WHICH ANYONE CAN DO, and they say they are speaking in tongue just like the disciples did on the day of pentecost. Well on the day of pentecost in the Bible and it is clear that everyone understood the disciples when they spoke. This is new testament Word of God. And it even says that as the disciples where speaking in their own native language that everyone else could undertstand them in their own language, thats a wonderful miracle of God and that made the disciples able to spread the Word of God to anyone of any language. And you know it is wrong for people to fake a power given by God and make it into something rediculous. BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS.

  39. Sorry, this is not Shawn. But anyways…

    Maybe I just need to read more of you site to understand what you mean, but I’m not sure I follow you. What I mean is, I’m not certain what you mean by fundamentalist CofC (church of Christ, got that). That fundamentalist part…

    But you’re right – for too many people today, the holy kiss is not practiced even in a cultural way. What I mean is that for a lot of Christians, even a hand shake is too much to ask of them. Or if they do shake hands, then it is merely “glad handing.”

    Well, if we are to practice this, we ought to figure out what a “holy kiss” is, right. So what is it? lip-to-lip? Or is either side (like they do in Italy, which is of course where Rome is)? Kiss the hand? And on top of that, what does this communicate? Sure the fundamentalist CofCers can go around kissing each others faces off, but where is the heart. This “holy kiss” business is a sign of endearment, an expression of love for your brother (in the word is the root phileo, which is your word for brotherly love); it expresses that you enjoy the time you get to spend with your brother. And I think that can be communicated other ways.

  40. npulpit,

    Of course you are correct. I am not actually suggesting that churches need to start practicing the holy kiss, because I think that was something Paul was exhorting his fellow believers at that time to do. It’s not a command for the ages.

    However, I can say that, because I also don’t think that taking the Lord’s Supper weekly is a command for the ages, as do Johnny Robertson, Norm Fields, and James Oldfield (and Shawn, for that matter). And yet, they bind their people with this legalistic attitude, and there is less proof of the biblical command for the weekly observation of the Lord’s Supper than there is for the biblical command for the holy kiss.

    Do you see my point? I am calling THEM to consistency.

    And my reason for doing this (and for this blog) is that these men get on the airwaves four hours each week in my community, and declare that they are the only ones who have the Truth – that deeply committed followers of Jesus in traditions other than their own are going to hell.

    That’s just a load of cow pies.

    Nathan

  41. Lee:

    I agree – which is why I started this blog (see above). Unfortunately, in the area where they broadcast, I’m afraid most of their people aren’t very computer literate, and so I don’t know if they are even able to visit this blog.

    I make that assumption because none of their people have ever come onto the blog to defend their pastors or their doctrine. I can only assume then, that they aren’t educated enough to know how to do so.

    Having said that, I grew up in a rural area, surrounded by people who’d only barely finished high school. These folks were good people, and many of them could have done very well in college and above, but they simply didn’t have the resources to go.

    So, I wish that they would visit the blog, and participate in the conversation. I know Johnny Robertson, Norm Fields, James Oldfield and Shawn Paden visit from time to time, but they are apparently not able to handle a format where they aren’t in control.

    Nathan

  42. do me a favor ………..
    dont use that pic or i may subconsiously start to
    associate you with him,
    i kid lee

  43. Comment edited by moderator, for obsessive trolling.

    “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.” Gal 5:22-23

    Nathan

  44. I agree with Lee about the pic….

    Shawn, you can come on here or the other blog as well….just be nice.

  45. to truth

    I understand what you mean there are false prophets out there, like Benny Hinn. so I understand…….. but let me give you an understanding.

    Were they in the upper room or outside?

    Read acts 1 to get your answer.

  46. “I am really not interested in proving Churches of Christ are wrong. I don’t think they all are.”
    Nathan the Presbyterian said.

    THANK YOU!!!

    Case closed.

    Heath

    Actually, I thought I’d leave this one up, because it shows everyone that I don’t have a beef with the “Church of Christ” in general – just a few fundamentalists.

    Nathan

    By the way, Shawn wrote “Heath” because it’s one of his many aliases over at the Topix forum. Another seems to be “Nova”.

  47. Shawn, when you’re ready to be an adult, I’ll be ready to let your comments stand.

    And, by the way, this is the kind of irritating thing that the fundamentalists really enjoy doing. Everyone can see, yes?

    Nathan

  48. Thanks for the heads up, LAH. I’ll keep a look out for Shawn Heath Kodiak Nova Paden while I’m tootling around Topix.

    Everyone should come over and join in the fun!

    Nathan

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