Answering Johnny Robertson – December 26, 2007

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8 thoughts on “Answering Johnny Robertson – December 26, 2007

  1. [this comment was moved here from a different place on the blog, but it was written in response to the program of 12/26]

    Randy wrote:

    Johnny, you are getting worse and worse at yanking scriptures from their context and making them applicable to your theological views. You used Heb. 10:26 as if the writer were talking about everything and anything. You know the context here is directed to the Jews, who AFTER hearing about Christ work on the cross wanted to go back to their blood sacrifices and doing so would trample under foot the Son of God, regarding it as unclean-the blood of the covenant. Go back and get all of the verses prior to verse 26

    1For the Law, since it has only (A)a shadow of (B)the good things to come and not the very form of things, [a]can (C)never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, (D)make perfect those who draw near.
    2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had (E)consciousness of sins?
    3But (F)in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year.
    4For it is (G)impossible for the (H)blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
    5Therefore, (I)when He comes into the world, He says,
    “(J)SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED,
    BUT (K)A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME;
    6(L)IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices FOR SIN YOU HAVE TAKEN NO PLEASURE.
    7″(M)THEN I SAID, ‘BEHOLD, I HAVE COME
    (IN (N)THE SCROLL OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME)
    TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.’”
    8After saying above, “(O)SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND (P)WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND sacrifices (Q)FOR SIN YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, NOR HAVE YOU TAKEN PLEASURE in them” (which are offered according to the Law),
    9then He said, “(R)BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL.” He takes away the first in order to establish the second.
    10By this will we have been (S)sanctified through (T)the offering of (U)the body of Jesus Christ (V)once for all.
    11Every priest stands daily ministering and (W)offering time after time the same sacrifices, which (X)can never take away sins;
    12but He, having offered one sacrifice (Y)for sins (Z)for all time, (AA)SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
    13waiting from that time onward (AB)UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.
    14For by one offering He has (AC)perfected (AD)for all time those who are sanctified.
    15And (AE)the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,
    16″(AF)THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM
    AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD:
    I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART,
    AND ON THEIR MIND I WILL WRITE THEM,”
    He then says,
    17″(AG)AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS
    I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”
    18Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.

    19Therefore, brethren, since we (AH)have confidence to (AI)enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
    20by (AJ)a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through (AK)the veil, that is, His flesh,
    21and since we have (AL)a great priest (AM)over the house of God,
    22let us (AN)draw near with a sincere heart in (AO)full assurance of faith, having our hearts (AP)sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies (AQ)washed with pure water.
    23Let us hold fast the (AR)confession of our (AS)hope without wavering, for (AT)He who promised is faithful;
    24and let us consider how (AU)to stimulate one another to love and (AV)good deeds,
    25not forsaking our own (AW)assembling together, as is the habit of some, but (AX)encouraging one another; and all the more as you see (AY)the day drawing near.

    26For if we go on (AZ)sinning willfully after receiving (BA)the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
    27but a terrifying expectation of (BB)judgment and (BC)THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
    28(BD)Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
    29(BE)How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve (BF)who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean (BG)the blood of the covenant (BH)by which he was sanctified, and has (BI)insulted the Spirit of grace?
    30For we know Him who said, “(BJ)VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY ” And again, “(BK)THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.”
    31It is a (BL)terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the (BM)living God.
    32But remember (BN)the former days, when, after being (BO)enlightened, you endured a great (BP)conflict of sufferings,
    33partly by being (BQ)made a public spectacle through reproaches and tribulations, and partly by becoming (BR)sharers with those who were so treated.

  2. Also, notice since the blog and emails, Johnny keeps letting the viewers know he doesn’t know everything or understands everything in the bible……….he is just being a spin doctor here, trying to appear humble and not a know-it-all…..that way he can come back on a later show and pull that clip up and say “ see, these bloggers don’t know what they are talking about, I have acknowledged I do not understand everything” Nice try Johnny !!!

  3. You’ve been involved with these guys more in depth than I have, Pernell, but could it be that he is really just acknowledging that the Bible isn’t clear on the matter? He speaks pretty forcefully that there will be a judgment (which is clear) but less so about what heaven will really be like (which isn’t so clear).

    Of course, that doesn’t stop him from speaking so authoritatively on the subject of the Lord’s Supper (that has a pretty vague “command” that we should practice the LS every “first day of the week”).

  4. sure, he is acknowledging that the bible isnt clear-but when have you ever heard him admit this? Maybe I read too much into his statements, if so, he is welcome to come on here and clear it up.

    Far as the Lords supper being a vague command, I dont see it as a command at all-just an example that some done of their free will.

  5. I doubt he’ll come on here and clear anything up. Then he would be stooping to associate with those who “work in shadows”. Did you catch the vague reference to that at the end of the broadcast? What I don’t get is why are we in shadows because we choose to discuss things on a different forum than he chooses? That’s a prime example of the error of Johnny Robertson – another example of his “my way or the highway” attitude.

    As to the Lord’s Supper, we are commanded by Christ to take the Lord’s Supper (1 Corinthians 11:24). “Do this in remembrance of me”.

    1 Corinthians 11:26 tells we are to take the Lord’s Supper to “proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.”

    So, we are supposed to observe the Lord’s Supper, but you are right that there is no specific command of how often.

  6. I wasnt clear–I meant, I see no direct command to take the Lords supper each and every Sunday as the CofC teach. I know it’s a command from Christ, but did Christ command it each and every Sunday??? That was my point.

    We could say he is hiding in the shadows, seeing he knows about this blog and isnt commenting on it…

  7. I thought that was what you meant.

    Ha! I like that – Johnny, Norm and James are hiding in the shadows. That’s a great way of thinking about it.

  8. I have never seen them back away like this, they normally invite this kind of stuff. But, normally they have control of direction and are able to cut people off and/or cut some clips from phone calls–on here they can’t control things. They went after Lion and Lamb and countless others, but they are hiding behind the walls and unable to come on here and allow people to honestly see both sides without splice and dice. Maybe they don’t want to talk to ex-members or something…sorry but people are seeing through the legalism, and regardless if you guys keep staying in the shadows–we plan to press forward that others will come out of the legalistic churches you guys are manning….oops I mean Johnny controlling, sorry Norm and James-I forgot Johnny controls things. Maybe you guys could come on here and tell people how Johnny scolds you guys and acts bossy with you. I know this and so do others.

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