Discussion on the Lord’s Supper

LS 

According to our local Church of Christ on-air TV personalities, we should be taking the Lord’s Supper each first day of the week (Sunday).  If we don’t do this, we are being disobedient, and sinning.

I’d be curious if Johnny Robertson, Norm Fields or James Oldfield would like to substantiate this doctrine, and give arguments in support of this?

Also, I understand that Johnny, Norm and James teach that we must use grape juice. What is the Scriptural justification for this argument?

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13 thoughts on “Discussion on the Lord’s Supper

  1. I doubt they reply, seeing this can be seen outside of the viewing area. They know other Churches of Christ do not hold to thier views totally.

  2. I doubt they reply because they’ve decided to boycott us, apparently. The urge to taunt like they do is pretty intense, but I’ll withstand the temptation.

    Let’s give them a bit of time to discuss, and then we can discuss for them – giving their point of view as they’ve taught. Of course, we may not get it right, but that’s the price they pay for not taking part.

  3. You know without a few forms of doing church like weekly communion only on Sunday the cofC is no different than the next church denomination next door. Just a question for people who like to use Acts 20:7 as their so called authority this idea. In Acts 2:42 it says that they met and “broke bread” just like it says in Acts 20:7 but here it says it was done in houses and everyday not just on the first day of the week. So by what thinking or whose authority do we determine that Acts 20:7 was prescribed pattern instead of 2:42? The real sin comes not in what days we are or aren’t suppose to take the Lord Supper, but rather using a flawed in consistent hermeneutic or thinking to tell everyone else that they are sinning and in danger of loosing their salvation because they take the Lord Supper on Saturday or Tuesday. By the way in Acts 20 it says that Paul went up and ate after he healed the boy who fell out of the window of the house where he was preaching and that it was after midnight; uh the next day! So if this was the pattern for every Sunday only on Sunday Paul was in violation of his own rule! Maybe the story of Paul’s journey to Troas here in Acts 20 is to show that when preachers have sermons that are too long then people fall asleep and kill them selves.

  4. I think the Lord’s Supper should be with real wine, but I’ve only had it like that once -at the church where Dr. R.C. Sproul preaches…

  5. It is one of those assumptions on their part. It is like if I came across a letter that read, “Paul and Timothy went to the market to buy bread on Thursday.” By reading it normally it just explaining what they did and not what was commanded. If they did go to the market and buy bread then that doesn’t mean I have to buy bread only on Thursday.

  6. Isn’t it nuts, however, that they use this assumption as a basis for condemning people who’ve made a different assumption?

    Listen, Johnny Robertson, Norm Fields, James Oldfield and Shawn Paden: If you feel led to celebrate the Lord’s Supper each Sunday, that’s fantastic! More power to you! If you feel that it is a more responsible practice to use grape juice rather than wine, then that’s fantastic, too!

    However, if you use either of these two practices as a weapon to attack other believers and followers of Jesus, then shame on you.

    Sola Dei Gloria,
    Nathan

  7. my POV too Matt. Nathan, I have ask Matt and Mike to help me on my blog. I dont have the time I need to keep up with it….

  8. Thank you Nathan for the welcome.

    Yes I agree Nathan. If people want to have it on Sunday then thats fine, if others feel led to do it everyday, thats also fine. Same with the bread and/or juice itself. To many times we as people focus on the “things” rather on the meaning of it. The whole point of the Lord’s Supper is key to what jesus said, “Do this in remembrance of Me.” There it is in a nutshell. Our focus is on Him and what He has done. Not on the material things He used. Funny how we put down the Catholics for all of their emphasis on the material things and adding to the Word but yet we are not to far behind.

  9. And the point I was trying to make with Shawn before he went all obstinate on us over at your blog was that Scripture (esp 1 Cor) is talking about the importance of what’s going on within a Christian as he or she participates in the Lord’s Supper.

    When you are so wrapped up in the legalism of YOU MUST DO IT THIS WAY OR THAT WAY OR ELSE, how can you possibly have a “right heart” before the Lord when you take the elements?

  10. First of all I’m glad that finally someone has the guts to defend their beliefs. And I do want to defend mine. The verse given above (Acts 2:42) does not say they broke bread from house to house or daily that would be verse 46. One should notice the differnce in context. One is dealing with spiritual fellowship (Vs.42) the next is more social (Vs.46). Another thing often over looked is the fact the these christians stayed in jerusalem at this time because the church or assembly (Vs.47) had just been started. Thus they were in the temple daily (Vs.42) and shared possessions for many of these people were from other places. (Vs.5) Acts 20:7 is in a different context and different place then Jerusalem the message or Gospel had already been preached in Jerusalem (Acts 2), Samaria (Acts 8) and was being preached all over the world churches or assemblies were established in different locals. Thus we see “when the Disciples came together”, In Acts 20:7. Acts 11 just states that Paul himself broke bread and ate which is not the way the Lords supper would be observed 1Corinthians 11. If this breaking bread(Acts 20:11)was connected to Acts 20:7 then according to the Jewish day which was still very much acknowledged as we can see from the context of Acts 20, then it would still be the first day of the week for the jewish day starts at 6:P.M. Sunset till the next. As far as do’s and don’ts consider Matthew 7:21 Jesus said we have to DO HIS WILL to eneter the kingdom of heaven.

  11. I have consider Matthew 7:21 and this is Just a thought.

    So what is God’s will? I ask this because God’s will for my life may be different from the will has for your life. Can you say that you know exactly the will of God? Sometimes our short-sightedness causes us to pray outside the will of God, and that is the problem.

    When Jesus was praying in Luke 22:42, in the Garden of Gethsemane, He asked the Father, “Father, if Thou art willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Thine be done.” Jesus did not want to go through the ordeal of the crucifixion and He asked the Father for a way out. His prayer was not answered the way Jesus requested. Nevertheless, He submitted His will to the will of the Father

    It is God’s will for all to be saved but will that happen? No, and who is to blaim if His will is not accomplished.

    Salvation is the forgiveness of sins. It is only accomplished through faith in Jesus as Savior. He died on the cross for sins. If you want salvation, you need to trust in what Jesus did on the cross. Only then can you have eternal life and be with God.
    Salvation is saving a person from damnation. Damnation is judgment upon the sinner. This judgment consists of God condemning the sinner to eternal punishment in hell. This is the destination of all who reject God’s provision for the forgiveness of sins. If you want salvation, then you need to recognize that you are a sinner and ask Jesus to forgive you. He will.

    Now that my friend is God’s will. Jesus said He came to do the will of His Father.

  12. Where in the Bible did you see where God’s will for your life is different from his will for my life. Thats when we start going beyond what is writen. Now what we need to do is stay with in the word. Which I agree the word teaches that it is God’s will that all will be saved. And I agree that all will not because all do not choose to obey his will. But salvation and his will is not only believing for God’s word says that the demons believe and tremble. James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. In fact James is showing that true faith requires action. Well what we can learn from this is that one can believe and trust and what Jesus did on the cross but if he does not obey the commandments of Jesus, James says his faith is dead. And I believe you trully believe that action is required for those who believe. For I see that you have stated that one must ask Jesus to forgive them upon recognizing that they are a sinner. So clearly that is a action but I must say it is the wrong action according to the word. Now if one wants to be saved he has to do it Jesus’ way. As stated before I agree Jesus does require that we believe. But he never required that we pray to him for forgiveness of sins to be saved. When Jesus rose from the grave this is what he told his disciples. Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that BELIEVETH and is BAPTIZED shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
    Notice, he did not say anything about prayer. When Peter taught the people what to do to get rid of there sins he said in: Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    As you stated ones sin must be removed for him to be saved. Well here it says he must repent and be baptized for that to happen. However it says nothing about praying for salvation or removal of sins.
    Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    Here we have belief again and confession still no praying to be saved. For as you see here the confession is the same confession that Peter made that Jesus is the Christ and it is not confession of sins. (also see the eunuchs confession Acts 8:36-39) Now one of my biggest problems with some peoples view on salvation is how people can’t give scriptures that shows were one must pray to be saved but there plenty to show that one must be baptized to be saved yet they say that baptism is not nessecary. Jesus said we must be baptized, Peter said we must be baptized, Paul said we must be baptized, and in one of the plainest verses that we have is this:
    1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
    Now this statement here plainly says that baptism saves us. So what do we have to do for as we said before one must obey all of God’s will not some and not most. If we are going to do that then we have to belive, repent, confess, and be baptized in order to be saved.
    But what about praying for forgiveness? This is done only after one is saved and reconciled to God. Remember Jesus came to reconcile us to the Father for in our sins we were considered enemies, but in Christ and only when we get in Christ by salvation there is no condemnation. Thus we can pray to the Father in Jesus name or thru Jesus. And so if we sin or fall short once we are saved than we can pray to God for forgiveness. 1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. John is clearly talking about Christians here that is people who walk in the light people who have already accepted Christ by obedience.
    Now that is the true will of the Father not my will But His will shown to us from His word.
    John 17:17 – His word is truth.

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