Pre-Debate Thoughts

Tomorrow night is the big debate between Johnny Robertson and Armando DeLoa of Los Angeles.   It should be an interesting spectacle, as these two men come from very different positions on many different subjects.  The most interesting part of it will be that they both seem to be very strong-willed, opinionated men, who both feel strongly that their interpretations of Scripture are THE ONLY interpretations.  

But, I’m not going to be looking to which man “proves” his interpretation, though.  I am going to be looking for the fruit of the Holy Spirit in their lives (Galatians 5:22).  And even moreso, what I will be looking for in this spectacle, is for the man that approaches this debate with a Christ-like attitude.  Now, you might ask, “What characteristics reveal Christ in us?”

Humility will probably be on the top of the list. “And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:” (Matthew 20:27) God came to us on earth not as a richly robed king but as a penniless teacher, a servant. He suffered shame and degradation for our sakes. Are we willing to suffer the same for His sake?

If we are, it will show in our love for others. Jesus suffered for us because He loved us. He asks us to love each other in return. “This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.” (John 15:12) The progress of our transformation can probably be gauged by our love for others. And, not just the people that are easy to love, but our love for those who have hurt us, too.

Loving those who have hurt us requires forgiveness. Christ came to us to make forgiveness for our sins possible. We didn’t earn or deserve forgiveness; He gave it to us anyway. He had every right to not forgive us but he forgave us anyway. He is our example of how we are to forgive. “Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.” (Colossians 3:13) Even if we have every right to not forgive, we must do it anyway to become Christlike. 

And, for the sake of this debate, where these men might possibly be considering each other as enemies, that Jesus taught us, “But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.”  (Matthew 5:44) 

The man that does these things will be the one who comes closest to “winning” the debate, in my mind.

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16 thoughts on “Pre-Debate Thoughts

  1. Since attendance is down at Johnny’s place, I would think it’s best that he start coming up with another plan other than “ambush and attack”. Most likely in his mind, Johnny wants to strong arm this guy with the bible. I think Norm would have been the best choice for this ambush, I mean debate–and Jason if he were still there. It still will make for some good entertainment.

  2. i agree that the fruit of the Spirit should be revealed but, also if you read the scriptures the Lord should be in it. My intentions are clear one i am taking a vacation and 2 I love to discuss the word of God even if i feel i am right or wrong. As, i explained to Mr. Robertson on the phone its not about who is wrong it is God is right. The scritpures answer for them selves. My hope to bring Christ to this so called ambush and spectacle. Any anyone that has any opinion needs to at least ask me what it is i believe. You men need not feel that i am going to look silly for much fasting and prayer has been in this the Saints in Los Angeles all the way to San Jose are praying that God can deleiver . I do not know what might happen, i just know that God has put me in many situations such as this and God has been the Victor. So, lets not talk about what might happen lets get some faith and believe for a miracle.

  3. Armando,

    I agree completely. However, it’s been my experience that lots of people who claim to have God on their side don’t act as if He is. That’s why I put up the verses about Christ’s character and characteristics – because I sincerely hope that we see Him in this debate. If it is truly a seeking after His Truth, then He will need to be found in it, from both sides. I know you are reading this, and will take my thoughts to heart. Johnny? I don’t know. Because he refuses to participate in our discussions. Ironic, considering how he challenges men to participate in HIS discussions. Oh well!

    One word of advice – when you debate with Johnny, be careful about mentioning things like “if you read the scriptures…” without having specific Scriptures to back up those assertions. This is why Johnny will eat your shorts if you talk about “The Lord told me…”, because Johnny teaches that the only way God speaks to us is through his Word. When you think about it, it’s not such a terrible thing to teach, because men have really abused that assertion through the years.

  4. Great points Nathan ! If anyone claims that God spaoke to them “you better have a verse” Johnny will be quick to ask you “where is that in the bible”. If you say the Lord told you this or that, maybe having a bible verse would be best….seeing in these last days He has spoken thru Jesus and if an man add to the words of this book….I think you get the picture. I do credit you for taking part of this blog…shows you are willing to talk about things.

  5. Randy’s right. Johnny and company ignore that we are here, although we are doing the same thing they are doing, only we’re the ones running things here, and I guess they don’t like that.

    That’s okay, though. We have fun without them! Look at our article responding to Johnny calling us “giggleing little girls” to see how much fun we have!

  6. Excellant advice but, if God speaks He will act unfotunatly many have been decieved when hearing the voice of God. The Lord has many times spoke to me i know the voice of my God . Once about an earthquake and the very next day there was an earthquake. See, out here we see God move . Hence, you have to have faith my bible tells me my sheep HEAR my voice. There is the Rehma of God “Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the WORD OF GOD.” That is not Logos . See, God wants to speak but, men are afraid and this why the folks there dont want to believe it because there are men who say “God Said” and God said nothing , that is why there is the Dicerning of Spirits . See, in this area there are many witch craft and sorcerres out hear . The Satanic church of Satan is in Frisco. We have confronted these men and woman , they always trying to send witches into the churches. For example just last sunday i was teaching and God spoke to me about a woman who visited and told me that she was into witch craft i changed my sermon and preached against the spirit of witch craft, now this woman is seeking God for repentance. If God speaks to people than there needs to be a change in the attitude of people. I always say You will eithier be mad, glad or sad. All brings glory to God. We, have many miracles such as cancers tumors even the dead raised. The way it happens hear is that it happens unexpectedly but, non the less many witness it. Just recently a man was shot in the chest and a brother from our church saw this event ran to the guy and prayed for him the brother did not ask to raise the dead he just prayed and God raised him in front of witness. These are things we are experianceing. God is Real . Now, when i defend the faith God spoke to me to go. I told the Lord you want me to go provide the finances. The airplane ticket was 800.00 for me and the other brother so a total of 1600.00 all together. I prayed and God brought it down to 200.00 eache totalling 400.00 i also prayed about a place to stay God sent a brother and said i felt to help you so, he provided the rooms for 20.00 nightly at the hamillton inn. God is Good. These things happen all the time. Another , story just two weeks ago Johnny was on the phone with me and as i was talking to him and explaining what God does here and that we deal with demon possessed people a man in the middle of the resturante begins to yell so hard Johnny asked what happen. I told him a man full of the devil just screamed at me. He got quiet. Even the witeress had to get involved they said he was a regular but, they never seen him get so upset . I told Johnny that this is a normal battle here . We, deal with demons possessed and the sick always. Why, us i dont know i have fasted 40 days 6 times and i want God to move if you really want to see God move beieleve that you need the Holy Ghost . Acts 2:1-4 it is for you mark 16:16-18 its not just a gift like they lie to you about it is the Spirit of God the gift of the Spirit of God is eternal life. “For the wages of sin is death but, the gift of God is eternal lift” So, the Gifts are given when you speak in an unknown tongues . This is the way you know you have the Spirit of God Acts 10:44-46 it is simple. These men dont know what they are in for. God is on my side not theres. I have seen the worst gang members break down when i sang. We have a gentleman in our church that was a killer but, he said when we preached something warm came over him and he spoke in tongues but, the powerful thing about this is that i did not have tolay hands on him. So, that is a miracles. What happen when Jesus said you shall or will do greater miracles. What was the miracle jesus never did. lay hands for people to receive the Holy Ghost. so, Gentlemen love the conversation. but, They are in for a spiritual war they dont even know what they are dealing with. Men and woman and teenagers are fasting and praying been for 20 days at atime to see the hand of God. Keep me in prayer and i love you guys and your encouragement . Love is the answer to the move of God . If you do not know love John says you dont know God.

  7. i spoke a little to fast i was concentrating on the word for tonight i want to explain when i said “Excellant advice but, if God speaks He will act unfotunatly many have been decieved when hearing the voice of God”

    Unfortunatly many have been decieved when they think they hear the voice of God, and it is another spirit they listen too.

    And God spoke to me about an earth quake and the next day there was an earth quake. sorry my mistake in typing to fast with out read what i typed. (thanks for your patients) .

    Hence some of the preachers there that make themselves look ignorant.

  8. I appreciate that, I really do. But, we’re just trying to do our best to help this be a fair “fight”, and letting you know the way Johnny (and the other Church of Christ men) approach their debates.

    Johnny will be very polite, and cordial, and friendly, before he gets you on television (or, in the case of those he talks with one on one, before he gets you into his “Bible study”), and then when he gets his sparring partner on TV (or when he gets into his “study”), he gets VERY intense and relentless. He won’t get angry, he won’t get upset, he won’t cry or scream or make noise. But he will be immovable.

    He’ll be very rational, he knows the Bible frontwards and backwards, and he is prepared for your arguments and thoughts. So, it’s best to have all of your ducks in a row, and if you can put his interpretations of Scripture on the defensive, you’ll have accomplished something interesting.

  9. Like the martial arts i get in a intese mind set. So, for give me if i seem a little strong. i really appreciater your spirit and help i am here and we are on our way to go to the station. Keep in mind i just stand bold but, i love you and appreciate you maybe we can get to gether near where i am at.

    God Bless
    Pastor Deloa

  10. Great Job last night!

    I do think Johnny was hogging the time a bit more than you, but you both get fair time tonight. Johnny may take last nights broadcast and use parts of that in his Power Point slides tonight.

    I think the people liked the fact that you were showing love and real concern for people. I hope Johnny is taking note of what love can do and stop acting hateful towards everyone.

    I look forward to seeing you guys tonight.

  11. Amen, this is what we are trying to point out, Efren also wanted to point this out. As, for the power point and bringing out points you all know truth. Which is fine i will comment on all of that. (quickly as possible) But, we have our own video camerera again i am here till tuesday if any one wants to meet and talk right now we have no car. So, we are on foot. We are praying for a rent a car that is resonable if not we are walking everywhere. .

    Thank you God Bless stay tune to One God. debate

  12. Armando: Do us a favor-let the community know about this blog, please give out the URL to the viewers, so they can weigh-in how they see the debate. Johnny and crew know about this blog, but are ignoring it. Please tell the viewers to go to answeringchurchofchrist.wordpress.com. It has to be spelled just like this though ( answeringchurchofchrist.wordpress.com )

    This will allow the people an anvenue to talk freely without being cut off. We all look forward to the debate tonight.

  13. Well, guys i am back but, i want you to know the miracle of what God has done. Just to let you know i have started 210 churches in India and over 5,000 souls being baptized and Filled with the Holy Ghost Keep us in prayer as i travel this week.

    Pastor Deloa

  14. I will be in prayer that the lost will be found! I have tried to contact you via email, can you share that address?

    WIL

  15. deloa said
    On February 5, 2009 at 4:27 am Armando Deloa Said:

    Well, guys i am back but, i want you to know the miracle of what God has done. Just to let you know i have started 210 churches in India and over 5,000 souls being baptized and Filled with the Holy Ghost Keep us in prayer as i travel this week.

    Pastor Deloa

    IN 2007 Deloa told on air here in NC & VA of all the things he had done in hospitals in CA.
    we checked hospitals in his area to see if the “fame” of his claims could be verified. (see below)

    Lu 4:14 ¶ And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

    the hospitals never heard of him!

    He said on air he “sneaks in”

    no fame came from his “great miracles” in our area either. he said “my unbelief” was the reason we would not see miracles here!

    He is a liar.

    if he was doing all he says we would hear it on CNN.
    Yesterday (Heb 13:8) Jesus could not keep his fame from being spread even by his enemies.

    Delao is a joke.

    He went to the doctor for his own sickness.

    Yesterday?
    Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
    15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

  16. mark 5:36Ignoring what they said, Jesus told the synagogue ruler, “Don’t be afraid; just believe.”

    37He did not let anyone follow him except Peter, James and John the brother of James. 38When they came to the home of the synagogue ruler, Jesus saw a commotion, with people crying and wailing loudly. 39He went in and said to them, “Why all this commotion and wailing? The child is not dead but asleep.” 40But they laughed at him.
    After he put them all out, he took the child’s father and mother and the disciples who were with him, and went in where the child was. 41He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum!” (which means, “Little girl, I say to you, get up!” ). 42Immediately the girl stood up and walked around (she was twelve years old). At this they were completely astonished. 43He gave strict orders not to let anyone know about this, and told them to give her something to eat.

    So why did Jesus put the others out if it wasn’t for their unbelief?So based on BCV it appears that in some cases unbelievers do get removed from a healing event!

    And no I do not have the power to raise the dead or heal the sick, just a simple man reading the Bible!

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